Sunday, July 03, 2005

1214 In my humble opinion

This is a phrase I see frequently in blogs. It means the opposite of what it says--the person is not claiming to be humble at all, but has a very strong opinion on something. Father John has a not so humble opinion on the "right" to marriage.

"All of the arguments being advanced today to "change society's morality" to gain acceptance of same-sex marriages -- fairness; equality; acceptance of minority (that is, non-mainstream) points of view and practices, and so on -- can be made in favor of the "polys"; polygamy (one husband, many wives), and polyandry (one woman, many husbands). Indeed, here in the "wild, wild west," we have a group with significant money, power, and influence, whose central tenets at one time required its adherents to practice polygamy as the best way to salvation. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (known to many as the "Mormons") only rescinded this as a principle of belief when required to do so by the federal government as a condition for admitting the territory of Utah as a state. Why would they not return to this practice if the mood of the nation is to change the "traditional" understanding of marriage as the union of a man and a woman to allow same-sex marriages? After all, the proponents of polygamy have Biblical precedent on their side (at least, in the Old Testament), where many of the patriarchs had multiple wives. The practitioners of the Islamic faith also are permitted as many as four wives. Why should either of these groups refrain from entering the fray, and extend the definition of marriage to allow their religious beliefs to be practiced? Granted, part of the problem is that the practice has often been abused, with men marrying girls under the usual state-established age of consent -- girls young enough to be their daughters. But the abuse doesn't abrogate the right; and there's no reason why, with proper documentation, women of legal age to marry should be denied entry into a polygamous marriage if they choose to do so of their own will.

Nor should the legalization be limited to polygamy. After all, that would be unfair to that part of the female population who would prefer instead to have several husbands providing for their care, comfort, and pleasure. Again, as long as everyone is at or above the age of consent, and enters knowingly into such a union, registered with the state, why should anyone object? And, while there isn't (so far as I know) a "poly" for more complex relationships, there's no need to limit the establishment of some sort of "multiple marriages," where, say, three men and two women, or three men and four women (or "a" men and "b" women) desire to be joined in marriage and be recognized as each other's spouses. With everyone at the age of consent, and all open and above-board, why not? After all, we can't use Christian morality as an argument against any of the "polys"; that argument is out-of-bounds in the dialogue today. And, after all, just because only a few people, comparatively speaking, will actually want to enter into these forms of union doesn't make them wrong." Father John (scroll down until blogger gets it gap together)

And he hasn't even mentioned why adults shouldn't have the right to marry children (if you can change the gender, why not the consent) or their siblings or first degree relatives. Or why the marriage shouldn't take place if only one person wants it. Sort of a Kelo-Marriage. Follow the money. Follow the power. Just my humble opinion, of course.

4 comments:

Paula said...

I'm okay with consenting adults freely entering into poly-partner marriages, as long as it's not done to commit tax fraud, etc. This no more necessarily leads to underage forced marriages than "normal" marriage does. Or marriage to donkeys or Cadillacs or whatever. Those are some of the silliest slippery-slope arguments ever.

Norma said...

And how many years ago would questions about gay marriage have been unthinkable? 5? 10? Why can't 3 sisters get the same "benefits" as married people using your reasoning?

An insurance company has fired an employee for writing an article about his religious beliefs and gay marriage on his own time, on his own computer, and never mentioning the name of the company. Careful what you say about those donkeys.

Deadman said...

"And he hasn't even mentioned why adults shouldn't have the right to marry children (if you can change the gender, why not the consent)"

Because children are not emotionally and physically ready for the responsibility of marriage and all that goes with it. Dumb point.

"or their siblings"

Such unions result in birth defects, again, dumb example to use to defend a position against same-sex or polygamous unions among consenting adults


"or first degree relatives."

See above.

"Or why the marriage shouldn't take place if only one person wants it."

This is commonly referred to as white slavery.

The key is consenting adults who are not closely related. WTF is so hard to understand about this, and why is this a problem for Christians?????

Norma said...

Mark has apparently not seen the "rights" groups that believe sex with children is acceptable, and that incest shouldn't be denied. Today's weirdos are tomorrow's martyrs for a cause.