Friday, October 19, 2007

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When will Harry tie up the Senate complaining about Stark?

Congressman Stark (D-CA) says, "Ladies and gentlemen, the axis of evil is not just in the Middle East, it is right down here on Pennsylvania Avenue" and that the President of the United States, the man we elected, wants to blow people up for his own amusement. Harry, I think that's a bit more serious, and tougher on the troops than a private citizen calling a guy who didn't make it past basic training but who poses as a veteran, a 'phony soldier."
    "You don't have money to fund the war or children. But you're going to spend it to blow up innocent people if we can get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq to get their heads blown off for the president's amusement."
One thing about Democrats, they are hell bent on losing this war. I tried to send Stark an e-mail, but his contact page won't take messages from Ohio. Old Pete's a chicken as well as a traitor. All this because he didn't like the President's veto on the expansion of health care to 25 year old, middle-class children who already have private insurance.

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

What I find admirable is that apart from the quote not a single "fact" in that whole post is correct.

Huzzah, madam.

Norma said...

Let's see. I've got 2 quotes, and an e-mail ready to go to Stark which won't accept one with an Ohio ZIP. So which part of the truth bothers you the most?

Norma said...

"Expanding SCHIP to cover children in higher income families is not an efficient or cost-effective way to reduce the ranks of uninsured children.

The proposal put forward by Democrats would render the current income eligibility requirement for SCHIP meaningless and create an open-ended government entitlement for families, many of whom already have private insurance coverage."

Congressman Miller

Anonymous said...

"One thing about Democrats, they are hell bent on losing this war."

That's false. Find one member of Congress or any branch of the federal government that wants to lose the war in Iraq.

"I tried to send Stark an e-mail, but his contact page won't take messages from Ohio. Old Pete's a chicken as well as a traitor."

Congressmen have been refusing mail, calls and e-mail from outside their district since I can remember. Try some Republican Congressmen, whose patriotism is beyond question, and see if the same holds true.

Second, Congressman Stark is not a traitor, unfortunate that that needs to be said.

"Traitors" provide aid and comfort to the enemy, in the words of the Constitution. Call him "incorrect", or "rude or "a total jerk-face" if you like. But he's not a traitor. That word is too cheaply used and that's not good for anyone.

For the record I don't think the President has troops sent to war for his amusement. That's unfair. I think he does it because he has more hubris than brains.

" ... the expansion of health care to 25 year old, middle-class children who already have private insurance."

The bill allows for families at 300% of the poverty level to buy into SCHIP with their own money.

People below 300% of the poverty line aren't middle class. They are the poor and working poor. People AT the poverty line are homeless.

The bill also provides that the maximum age is 19, and 21 in limited cases.

Further, states are given discretion about providing SCHIP to people with pre-existing coverage.

The criteria being: "items or services that are not covered, or are only partially covered, under such plan or coverage; or cost-sharing protection."

It's not like a blanket extra insurance for people who already have private insurance.

And as a political point I would like to urge you and the rest of the Republican Party to vehemently oppose health insurance for children of the working-poor that has roughly 70% support in recent polls.

Please, keep at it. I beg of you. It will be a huge winner next November. I promise.

Norma said...

So you're taking your "facts" from Democrat talking points, and I'm using Republican. For that you say my whole post is incorrect. Nice style.

Anonymous said...

Actually the above points (everything not please continue to oppose popular legislation) was culled from reading the text of the SCHIP bill via THOMAS (www.thomas.gov) as was the quotation I provided.

I'm not sure why you assumed I was using talking points because I closed with a joke / political observation.

I prefer to do my own talking.

As I said before I think your characterizations of the SCHIP bill are factually incorrect as is your use of the word "traitor" to describe Rep. Stark.

Respond to or ignore these responses as you wish; it's your blog, of course. But please don't make it sound like I just cut and pasted something from DailyKos stuck it on your blog and smiled to myself.

Norma said...

A U.S. Congressman who says the U.S. President wants our soldiers to blow up people for his own enjoyment is aiding the enemy and insulting the troops. To me, that's a traitor. To you, it's just a little silliness or poor taste. I'm sure it plays well in Iran. As does the Kos.

Now return to Thomas and track down all the other programs that poverty level entitles to, then retotal their income.

I understand why you remain anonymous, but you should get your own blog rather than use mine. If AL can do it, you can too.

Anonymous said...

I applaud the gumption it takes to discuss a bill and not be constrained by something like the words in that bill.

Again, huzzah madam.

p.s. Have you ever noticed that you seem to be unable to answer simple, direct, polite questions about the things you believe or say? Odd.

Norma said...

I opened with a question, and you didn't answer it, changing the topic to my blog and truthfulness instead.

"When will Harry tie up the Senate complaining about Stark?"

Anonymous said...

He won't. Nor was it "tied up" about Rush Limbaugh (when no resolution was passed) or when moveon.org was scolded and a resolution was passed.

The Senate passes silly resolutions all the time. It's not "tied up." It's just the same theater they've been engaging in since ... well, the 18th century I suppose.